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It may seem silly, but a good way to get Mandarin phonetics down is to watch/listen to Pinyin alphabet songs for kids. There are many on Youtube. Once you learn the tongue/mouth positions associated with the Pinyin initials and consonants and listen to the kids' songs a bunch of times, Mandarin phonetics becomes very easy.

For example, these songs usually start by covering all the initials (the consonants plus y and w) beginning with "bo, po, mo, fo". The initials are clustered according to how they're pronounced with the same tongue/mouth position i.e. bo po mo fo are all pronounced using the lips hence they're labials and clustered together (bo po mo use both lips; fo of course uses the top teeth and bottom lip, just like English F).

The order/cluster of the initials is as follows:

bo po mo fo - labial - pronounced using lips

de te ne le - alveolar - pronounced with tongue touching the alveolar ridge right behind upper front teeth, just like in English d, t, n, l

ge ke he - velar - pronounced with back part of tongue against back part of roof of mouth, just like in English g, k, h

ji qi xi - alveolo-palatal - pronounced with the tip of tongue low, touching bottom teeth for example, while rest of tongue curved upwards towards roof of mouth

zhi chi shi ri - retroflex - tongue tip curved up and back, like pronouncing English r, and while holding that tongue position static, pronouncing English "jer", "chur", "sure", "rur" for zhi chi shi ri respectively

zi ci si - alveolar like de te ne le above - tongue tip on alveolar ridge and pronounced English "ts" for zi ci, and English "suh" for si

So these initial consonant clusters involve the same basic tongue/mouth positions, and within the clusters are smaller differences in pronunciation like nasal, aspiration, etc. Once you understand the positions and watch the kids videos a bunch of times, you assimilate the phonetics very well. There are only 5 basic mouth/tongue positions that cover all the initial consonants, and these positions are used in English as well. The only real challenging ones are ji qi xi, the alveolo-palatals, but apparently they're also used in Russian and other Slavic languages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolo-palatal_consonant

This is a good Pinyin alphabet song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Ayvjy-Dgs

There are also Pinyin alphabet songs in the tune of the English ABCs song, which may be easier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EReU1BKtAXo

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Korean has the hardest phonology of the 3 East Asian languages Mandarin, Japanese, and Korean. It also has the worst Romanization. Japanese phonology is easiest, with only 3 basic vowels, similar to Spanish.

Also, despite the simple alphabet, I find Korean hard to read because like Japanese much of its vocab comes from Chinese, and is often the identical Chinese word in Chinese and Japanese, just pronounced in the Korean way. But when written in the Korean alphabet it can be vague because there are so many homonyms without the visual meaning of the Chinese character and no tones hence tone marks in Korean.

One good thing though is that the pronunciation changes for the Chinese character word used in Mandarin, Korean, and Japanese are fairly regular. So if you know how a Chinese character word is pronounced in one of the 3 languages, you generally know how it will usually sound in the other 2.

I think Korean would be best written in "mixed script" similar to how Japanese is written and how it was in the last century. Korean mixed script is even better than Japanese mixed script because Korean mixed script is strictly regular: only Chinese character derived words are written in Chinese, while Korean words and Korean grammatical words are written in hangul, while in Japanese Kanji is used for both Chinese and Japanese words and pronounced in either Chinese style or Japanese depending on use and context.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_mixed_script#Examples

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